This is the most intelligent discussion that I've seen. The full thread can be found at: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=3c90ea88%40news.svn.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dhd20%2Brodime%2Bgroup%253Acomp.sys.apple2%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch From: Paul Grammens (grammens@svn.net) Subject: Re: HD20 View this article only Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Date: 2002-03-14 10:22:01 PST "you" wrote in message news:Gaij8.260$UI4.159383@news.uswest.net... > >No one has cracked the lid and > >looked at one? > I am sitting in my shop with an open HD20 in fromt of me. Inside we find a > Power Supply a fan, a disk, and a board. The disk is a Rodime Model 552. > Connector seems to be a 26 pin affair similar to a Apple II SCSI card connector There is one other 26 pin SCSI that I know of, the one used in the Mac Portable. That's an old luggable Mac. Most of them have a wire harness soldered to a 40 meg SCSI hard disk, a few have an adapter cable that plugs into a normal SCSI connector. Here's a little info on the HD20. Couldn't find much on the net. -Paul "It cost over $1000 new in 1986 (although I believe it was introduced sometime in 1985). Inside is a 3.5" HH Rodime 552 disk, which actually has an Apple Disk Drive interface right on it. I had expected some sort of conversion circuitry (like the old Sun ESDI->SCSI boards), but there isn't. (400k) Average seek: 415 ms Rotational: 394, 429, 472, 525, 590 RPM Burst transfer: 489.6 Kbits/sec (serial) (HD20) Average seek: 85 ms Rotational: 2744 RPM Burst transfer: 500 Kbits/sec (serial) It looks like the 500kbits/sec is a limitation of the floppy interface and not of any device on it. Anyway, since the 512k only knows how to boot from the internal floppy, and speaks only MFS (the original, flat Mac File System---the folders are purely ornamental! Stupid trivia bit: folders on MFS disks have one extra pixel) on a 400k disk drive, Apple got creative with their solution: The Apple HD20 INIT (introduced with System Software 1.1) patches the ROM to allow the use of HFS (a 20 meg flat file system would be a horrible mess), the HD20, and the 800k disk drive. Insert the boot disk with 1.1 and the HD20 INIT, the Mac boots half-way, spits out the disk, and continues from the HD20. Kind of neat. On the Plus (and presumably 512ke), which speaks HFS and 800k disk drive natively, you can boot right off the HD20. But the Plus has SCSI, so this is trivial." Message 17 in thread From: Wayne Stewart (waynes@intergate.ca) Subject: Re: HD20 Ê View this article only Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Date: 2002-03-14 21:41:04 PST Bart wrote: > > >No one has cracked the lid and > >looked at one? > I am sitting in my shop with an open HD20 in fromt of me. Inside we find a > Power Supply a fan, a disk, and a board. The disk is a Rodime Model 552. > Connector seems to be a 26 pin affair similar to a Apple II SCSI card connector > A DB25 (DE? ;) SCSI ribbon will fit here.which leads to a matching connector > on the baord. again a 26 pin connector. the rest of the board is...: > Silk Screened Apple Computer c 1985 with no Rev number > socketed chips: 1st seems to be a Apple one marked 620 VM > B414...2365-1239....342-0343-B... c 85 Apple Korea it is a 28 pin one and it A 2764 EPROM > is twined by another 28 pin that is marked: 625v > c244....VP4060-0001....344-0041-B...c Apple 1982 1983, The 344-0041-B is identical in part # and form factor as the IWM used in the Mac Plus and on the daisy-chain card found inside the 3.5" UniDisk.